2010 FS Midwinter Regatta at SYC

I wish I was going to this year's Flying Scot Midwinter Regatta at Southern Yacht Club. Couldn't get the time off, plus family committments. My lovely wife Greta will be there to give ya'll hell with the rest of the Southwest District contingent (Oklahoma, Texas). PLEASE post some daily goings on here, or place a link to where there will be daily stuff about the regatta. If anybody posts pictures, please make a note where to look. Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

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I'm updating this post well, post Midwinter Regatta.

I'm updating this post well, post Midwinter Regatta. From the feedback I received the 2010 Midwinter Regatta at Southern Yacht Club was a tremendous sucess! This is the first year of a bi-annual rotation for Midwinter, between Southern Yatch Club in New Orleans and Sarasota in Florida - what a terrific idea for sure. This year at SYC, Scot sailors enjoyed just fantastic weather with mildly cool mornings and nice afternoon temps in the 70 degree range. Several FS sailors I spoke with said the races were just perfect, with shorter legs had typical 45 minute races ...times 3 a day, fantastic race committee work showing squared starting lines, very nice above par club facilities, and beyond that, it was NEW ORLEANS! For myself, I could not race this year due to work and family obligations, but did have the opportunity to fly in Thursday evening to New Orleans. Happy Scot sailors were everywhere (the minor exception of a few bad attitude oysters taking revenge on some of your unfortunate fellow sailors), all had enjoyed terrific times in New Orleans, and looking forward to Friday's bright skies and good breeze to finish out the regatta. Turn out was good with 43 competitors, which I've heard is up from recent years. What a fantastic job. Hats off to Larry Tagert, Southern Yacht Club, all the Flying Scot competitors, and all the organizers and volunteers! -Michael --------------------------------------------------------- In Post Script: Perhaps with a few tweeks to the schedule, we as a group can entice more sailors to our "family class" for the Midwinter Regatta. You, me, some of your sailing friends ...what would be some enablers for as we say in TEXAS ..all ya'll ?! A few ideas. Your friendly opinions please... Would it help to increase participation in Flying Scot Midwinter Regatta if it were a three day event (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) with seven races total? Thursday - Optional warmup races (3), perhaps at New Orleans YC Friday - 3 races Saturday - 3 races Sunday - 1 race (2nd race if needed) Would this help you? Would you committ AND pay earlier if the regatta was three days, seven races? An idea I thought I'd float out there. -Michael Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

Michael Mittman

FS 5804, Fleet 23

Corinthian Sailing Club

White Rock Lake, Dallas, TX, USA

SYC Flying Scot Midwinter results page.

SYC Flying Scot Midwinter results page. http://www.fssa.com/ht/race/race-results-mw-10.htm I'm guessing updates will be posted as the week progresses. Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

Michael Mittman

FS 5804, Fleet 23

Corinthian Sailing Club

White Rock Lake, Dallas, TX, USA

Keep it short and move it back to where its warm.

Keep it short and move it back to where its warm.... [:D] I know I am in the minority here on the shorter events, not sure why. I can say that none of the Fishing Bay folks went due to the extra distance and potential for cold weather.

Personal opinion: Make it warm, keep it long.

Personal opinion: Make it warm, keep it long. It's the winter break from the cold. This year I did a Laser Masters week to meet those objectives. Len Guenther FS 5055

I think the class should mix it up with longer and shorter event

I think the class should mix it up with longer and shorter events. Apparently they did a survey a few years back and it was "inconclusive" because nearly equal numbers of people wanted shorter formats for the NAC and MW compared to those who did not. That sounds like a good reason to offer both long and short events. Between the drive from PA, and the number of sailing days, I am out for both the NAC and MW this year. The long format is great for those who are retired. Phil Scheetz FS 4086

Phil Scheetz

FS 4086

Fleet 163, Nockamixon Sail Club

How about a Mid Winter East! And a Mid Winter West!.

How about a Mid Winter East! And a Mid Winter West!. Those of us in the New England and Atlantic Coast states can drive to perhaps Jacksonville? And those of us from Texas, Mid West thru Florida states can sail in New Orleans? That would give everyone a fair shot at attending and keep the travel time under control. If travel time becomes easier, then a shorter event might make more sense and less expensive to attend.

Marv Pozefsky

FS 733

But Phil what about those of us that are not retired and have li

But Phil what about those of us that are not retired and have little kids....there needs to be a better medium and maybe mix it up like someone else mentioned.

The new reality is that economic circumstances are going to driv

The new reality is that economic circumstances are going to drive regatta participation and level of competition a competitor wants to achieve within a particular Class. This is being experienced by all event organizer's, who have, completely missed the mark on what works in todays market. Key West is a good example of things gone bad. What has always worked for the Scot is an affordable boat that requires only one crew and when that crew is a spouse or family member, expenses for a regatta are generally cut in half and a family outing can be added in as a benefit. The introduction of jobs, children, dogs, cats, no spouse or a spouse that does not have an interest in racing into a mix that includes hotel, fuel, food, babysitters, additional vehicle maintenance and regatta incidentals for a four day event (which translates to a seven day expense), the cost is astronomical. My guess is that if a survey is taken (which I would highly recommend of MW participants in New Orleans by the association), the average expense for the regatta per BOAT will be around $3,000. This is in a Class by which that amount of money is THIRTY PERCENT the value of a competitive used boat that can be used, enjoyed and sold at the end of her tenure. Travis, if we carried that exponent to the M24 Class, you would be looking at a regatta cost of over $12,000 ! Clearly, something is out of whack with regard to managing venues and expenses for Scot regattas. My humble opinion is that we need to be ahead of the curve as it relates to our events and take the necessary action to ensure fun, enjoyable and affordable events for all. This would include shorter events, in n' out, so to speak. Sarasota and Charlotte Harbour are good examples for the Scots. Sandy Douglas, in 'Sixty Years behind the Mast', has one main underlying theme for the Flying Scot and that was that the boat be fun and affordable to those that sail the Scot. Having sold one boat for every week the past fifty years, his formula was a success. And in the book, a regatta was showing up late Friday or early Saturday, networking accommodations with fellow Scot sailors (to be reciprocated at another regatta) and sail and have a good time. Sandy was also a 'run what you brung' kind of guy and he would beat you with a bed sheet for a sail. It was never a highbrow affair (or arms race) for him to go to a regatta and that is where, as a Class, we need to get back to for a lot of reasons.

If you look at the survey posted on the home page there are some

If you look at the survey posted on the home page there are some interesting results: 65% Primarily use their Scot for racing 54% Race regularly 54% Never sail in a sanctioned event This may mean people are competing in localized events. May be the Class should look at sanctioning more localized events or perhaps some type of event spread out amongst a few clubs over a couple of weekends? Each one may be smaller in numbers but we you may see more people compete overall. Spend an hour or two driving to race for a weekend; I’d rather do that than take a week off. People just don’t have the time anymore - work, family there are a lot of obligations we need to meet before sailing. Taking a week off to travel & race just isn’t in the cards for many anymore; but taking a long weekend is. No more is it – “The Big eating the small” it’s “The Fast eating the slow”. J Mulle FS 4223

nice post FS5257 [:)]

nice post FS5257 [:)]

This is a good thread, as it points to factors that relate to cl

This is a good thread, as it points to factors that relate to class growth and event participation. First, Travis, I am not retired, I have two kids, 13 and 16, and my wife is an intermittent crew, so I have to recruit and develop crew regularly. I think it was me that mentioned that we should mix it up. I think 5257 is right on. I also think that the NAC at Fishing Bay, and Tom's River benefitted from the shorter format. The Atlantic Coast Champs is a good example of a competitive, short-format regatta. The Masters was discontinued, but maybe we should resurrect it as a regatta where the combined crew age has to be under 100, and have special prizes for under 80, under 60, under 40, etc. In PA and NJ, our fleet 163 from Lake Nockamixon, has a series with Fleet 184 at Spruce Run in NJ. The series encourages travel by having two races at each lake. We have also been welcomed by fleets along the NJ shore. We organize trips of our fleet to beef up the numbers at events run by new fleets. If the class wants to keep the long format for the NAC and MW, maybe the idea of doing more district level champs could be "sanctioned" by the class. I don't know what is involved in sanctioning a regatta, but it seems to me that creating awareness of the event is one of the primary drivers. Obviously a sanctioned regatta has to have good race management, but I think most host clubs aspire to that and can find it, especially if FSSA helps out. If we want to recruit more young sailors, then we need affordable events. At the Wife-Husband last year we brought our daughter, who offered babysitting for parents and grandparents who brought kids. The kids had a blast together and good memories. Maybe adding that to the template for how to run a regatta would be worthwhile. Phil Scheetz FS 4086

Phil Scheetz

FS 4086

Fleet 163, Nockamixon Sail Club

Sorry Phil, I thought it said you were, retired, I read it wrong

Sorry Phil, I thought it said you were, retired, I read it wrong. I would say that $3,000 for an event would be pretty darn expensive, I would think the FS MW would be half of that, if that much. I can say for a fact in the M24 12K an event is not in most people's budget, but all this depends on how you do it. The issue with the survey's that are done are the numbers, the sample size is very small. You look back at NAC in VA and NJ that facts ring out, shorter = more people. I would think there are few people who disagree. I can tell you from the International M24 class we are looking at shortening all of our events. I also think we need to look harder at good venues that are equal distances for the most amount of boats. A MW in pensacola would make great sense, close for most of the people. If you look at the results from both this year's 2009 NAC and 2010 MW there are a lot of new faces or local ones. It would be nice to get those with the people from the past events who thought it was too far to travel...then we are talking big number and fun times.

Good topic.

Good topic. For many, I think the issue is a variation of all of the issues discussed. I'm a weekend warrior as far as the sailing goes and not in the sailing business, so it becomes a balancing act between my job and my passion. For those of us not retired and with children still at home and involved in other activities, it becomes a matter of having to choose. Unfortunately only my son and I really enjoy racing our Scot. He's involved in several other activities that are important to him and therefore supported by us. Add to that other children and their activities, and the idea that we like to try to take some form of family vacation and our windows of opportunity to sail the "big regattas" is further reduced. To my dismay, a week at the NACs is not what my wife considers a vacation. I've attended one NAC (FBYC in 07) and one MW (St Pete in 08) and really enjoyed both. Both required me to take a little more than a week's leave which left only a week's leave to do other things with the rest of the family. The cost wasn't phenominal but it wasn't cheap either, approximately $1600 for the MW (07 NACs were "local"). Additionally those of us with kids usually have to take them out of school. MW would have meant my son missed at least a week of school. He'd of loved it, but you can't do that too often. We decided to skip MW this year for several reasons; the distance, the cost (couldn't find a "tent campground" close), kids in school, limited vacation time and the hope of attending the NACs in June/July. If the regattas were over a weekend (reducing the amount of vacation time one has to take) and within a days drive (Jacksonville is a 10 hour run from Richmond, VA/ Pensacola is about 14, but doable; going the other way Sharon, MA is about a 10 hour run too) I think we'd make a more serious effort to attend the national events. We are however, making plans to attend the ACC's in NJ in Sep. The event is over a weekend and is about a 6 hour drive from where we live, and there are affordable hotels close by. New Orleans and Bay Waveland are both two day drives from VA. That increases the cost (extra night in a hotel, more gas, more food) and more time off in order to attend. Bruce FS2777
Bruce FS 5600

quote:[i]Originally posted by Bruce[/i] [br]Good topic.

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[i]Originally posted by Bruce[/i] [br]Good topic. For many, I think the issue is a variation of all of the issues discussed. I'm a weekend warrior as far as the sailing goes and not in the sailing business, so it becomes a balancing act between my job and my passion. For those of us not retired and with children still at home and involved in other activities, it becomes a matter of having to choose. Unfortunately only my son and I really enjoy racing our Scot. He's involved in several other activities that are important to him and therefore supported by us. Add to that other children and their activities, and the idea that we like to try to take some form of family vacation and our windows of opportunity to sail the "big regattas" is further reduced. To my dismay, a week at the NACs is not what my wife considers a vacation. I've attended one NAC (FBYC in 07) and one MW (St Pete in 08) and really enjoyed both. Both required me to take a little more than a week's leave which left only a week's leave to do other things with the rest of the family. The cost wasn't phenominal but it wasn't cheap either, approximately $1600 for the MW (07 NACs were "local"). Additionally those of us with kids usually have to take them out of school. MW would have meant my son missed at least a week of school. He'd of loved it, but you can't do that too often. We decided to skip MW this year for several reasons; the distance, the cost (couldn't find a "tent campground" close), kids in school, limited vacation time and the hope of attending the NACs in June/July. If the regattas were over a weekend (reducing the amount of vacation time one has to take) and within a days drive (Jacksonville is a 10 hour run from Richmond, VA/ Pensacola is about 14, but doable; going the other way Sharon, MA is about a 10 hour run too) I think we'd make a more serious effort to attend the national events. We are however, making plans to attend the ACC's in NJ in Sep. The event is over a weekend and is about a 6 hour drive from where we live, and there are affordable hotels close by. New Orleans and Bay Waveland are both two day drives from VA. That increases the cost (extra night in a hotel, more gas, more food) and more time off in order to attend. Bruce FS2777
Bruce. You need to come to the Fishing Bay Spring Series which starts in a few weeks. Its open to all people, regardless if you are a club member. If you are interested let me know and I will also try to work out your ability to leave your boat there mast up for a few weeks too. Travis

Has anyone seen photos of the regatta? Was there a photographer

Has anyone seen photos of the regatta? Was there a photographer capturing the action? Phil Scheetz FS 4086

Phil Scheetz

FS 4086

Fleet 163, Nockamixon Sail Club

Tempatures at this years FS MW were in the mid 70's at SYC in Ne

Tempatures at this years FS MW were in the mid 70's at SYC in New Orleans. Beautiful weather! Next year Sarasota, FL, then rotation back to SYC. It's all good! -Michael
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[i]Originally posted by tweisleder[/i] [br]Keep it short and move it back to where its warm.... [:D] I know I am in the minority here on the shorter events, not sure why. I can say that none of the Fishing Bay folks went due to the extra distance and potential for cold weather.
Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

Michael Mittman

FS 5804, Fleet 23

Corinthian Sailing Club

White Rock Lake, Dallas, TX, USA

Your wish is GRANTED! FSSA is rotating the FS Midwinter Regatta

Your wish is GRANTED! FSSA is rotating the FS Midwinter Regatta between Sarasota, FL, and New Orleans, LA. Even years at SYC in New Orleans, odd years at Sarasota! I had the chance to fly to New Orleans Thursday night. WOW! SYC is really nice and the competitors said the Race Committee was absolutely superb! -Michael
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[i]Originally posted by mlp8415[/i] [br]How about a Mid Winter East! And a Mid Winter West!. Those of us in the New England and Atlantic Coast states can drive to perhaps Jacksonville? And those of us from Texas, Mid West thru Florida states can sail in New Orleans? That would give everyone a fair shot at attending and keep the travel time under control. If travel time becomes easier, then a shorter event might make more sense and less expensive to attend.
Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

Michael Mittman

FS 5804, Fleet 23

Corinthian Sailing Club

White Rock Lake, Dallas, TX, USA

To Michael's question above, for a shorter format, are you refer

To Michael's question above, for a shorter format, are you referring to next year in Sarasota, or 2012 at Southern Yacht Club? Phil Scheetz FS 4086

Phil Scheetz

FS 4086

Fleet 163, Nockamixon Sail Club

This is a good topic and there are lots of good thoughts above.

This is a good topic and there are lots of good thoughts above. A couple of points I would like to add: 1. Making an FSSA national sanctioned event 3 days of racing versus four or five days does not necessarily mean less time away from work for those participants who have jobs. A three day national event still takes at least six days to attend for most participants: one day to get there (at least), one day to measure, three days racing and one day to get home (at least). Six days (at least) total means taking pretty much a whole week off of work, same as a five-day or four-day event. 2. A longer event means more chance that we will sail more days. Shortening events to three days creates a pretty high probability that at least one of those days won't have any racing because of weather. I would not want to drive two days each way from WI to the Midwinters and then only race two days once I am there. It's not so bad to travel two days to a regatta which has four or five days of racing, then only race three or four days. That I can live with. 3. What's "cold" is relative. I thought the weather in New Orleans in late March was delightful. But I am from northeast Wisconsin, and people from Florida or even Virginia might have a different take on the meaning of "cold". 4. The class is doing a good job keeping alive Sandy Douglass' vision of weekend sailing. It's pretty easy to find multiple weekend racing events within a few hours drive for most Scot owners. For example, from Wisconsin I could compete in a half-dozen weekend Scot regattas each summer -- leave Friday afternoon, race all weekend, get home Sunday night. It's just that those regattas are not sanctioned national events. If I want to race in a national championship event such as the Midwinters or the NAC, then most years that will mean a longer drive. That's inherent in the nature of a "national" event. If there were more than one NAC, more than one Midwinters, etc., then those events would no longer be national. They would be regional, like the ACC and the various District championship regattas. Nothing wrong with regional events, no reason not to have more of them, but they are not national events. It's nice that the class also offers all of its members the opportunity to race in a national event at least twice a year. 5. I don't see any benefit to the FSSA sanctioning more local events. How would that add to the quality of the racing or the fun of the event? Local events stand or fall depending on the quality of the event (location, weather, organization, race management, party quality) not on whether the FSSA sanctioned it. In fact participation in a local event might decline if FSSA membership was required in order to race. And with FSSA sanction would come the obligation to comply with the FSSA's requirements for sanctioned events, which can be considerable; this would create an additional burden for the organizers of the local event. 6. For the 2008 Midwinters in St. Pete, I spent well under $2000 for me and my crew -- including driving 22 hours each way from WI, meals, registration and a nice hotel. I didn't think that was excessive -- I'm sure I could have spent more on almost any other kind of vacation. (I'm sure the class welcomes suggestions of less expensive venues, particularly if those suggestions are from the club or fleet offering to host the event.) But the expense of bringing family -- if they are not crew -- is not a regatta expense, it's a family vacation expense. Next year's Midwinters will be in Sarasota, we'll see if that's less expensive. It's always challenging to find quality sailing venues with low lodging costs -- there is a tension between those two concepts. Jay Lott FS 5698

To your comment/question "sawyerspadre", I am thinking it would

To your comment/question "sawyerspadre", I am thinking it would be great to offer a shorter Midwinter Championship event as something to try as a way to find out if the number of participants could be increased. At the same, time make sure to offer a one or two day "warmup regatta" just before the main event, so to satisfy those that travel far and want lots of races. Offer more, as had been done in the past (MW Warmup Regatta, then MW Championship Regatta) Example: NOYC hosts Midwinter Warmup regatta Mon, Tue (3 race Mon, 2 on Tue). -- Wed free day --- SYC host the Midwinter Championship regatta Thur, Fri, Sat (Thur have 2 races 45-50 minute each, Fri 3 or 4 races, Sat 2 or 3 races ..awards that evening). ...this format might help enable more people to participate in the regatta that are on tight work / family / vacation time budgets, while at the same time give more opportunity to sail for those that can take off an entire week. -Michael
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[i]Originally posted by sawyerspadre[/i] [br]To Michael's question above, for a shorter format, are you referring to next year in Sarasota, or 2012 at Southern Yacht Club? Phil Scheetz FS 4086
Michael Mittman FS# 5804, Fleet 23 Corinthian Sailing Club White Rock Lake Dallas, TX

Michael Mittman

FS 5804, Fleet 23

Corinthian Sailing Club

White Rock Lake, Dallas, TX, USA